Reliever Vic Darensbourg pitched parts of eight seasons in the Majors and spent 2007 with Triple-A Toledo (Detroit). Left-hander Brian Mazone also rejoins the club after a year in Korea. [Link]
Darensbourg, 37, went 6-2 with a 1.72 ERA in 52 1-3 innings for the Mud Hens. Getting his last taste of the bigs in 2005 with the Tigers, he is 8-17 with a 4.96 ERA in 303 career innings, all coming in relief. In the past, the 5-10 southpaw had been a hard thrower and tough on left-handers, but he’s getting by on guile now. Inconsistency has kept him out of the bigs. He reportedly has a nice pickoff throw.
Junkball left-hander Brian Mazone, 31, led the International League in ERA in 2006, going 13-3 with a 2.03 mark with Triple-A Scranton. You may recall he was nearly called up to the Phils that season for an emergency start in '06, but it never came to fruition. He got a couple looks in Clearwater this spring, didn’t impress and was assigned to Ottawa, where he was his usual stingy self until his contract was sold to Korea. Though his numbers remain solid, the knock on Mazone is he’s a finesse pitcher and Major League hitters will lay off his slop and sit on his slow fastball.
Right-hander Gary Knotts, 30, was reclaimed from the independent leagues last season and pitched for Reading and Ottawa. He’s seen action in 86 Major League games over parts of four seasons, 38 as a starter, the last being 2004 with Detroit, where he went 7-6 with a 5.25 ERA on the season. He was originally an 11th round draft pick of the Marlins.
Right-hander Travis Minix, 30, was a former minor league invitee of the Phils and had a couple good seasons in relief for Reading and Scranton, last pitching for the club in 2006. His ceiling is Brian Sanches.
Reliever Justin Pope, 28, was mentioned in an earlier thread and pitched last season in the Yankees system. In seven minor league seasons, he's 37-33 with a 3.41 ERA, seeing most of his action out of the bullpen.
Slugging outfielder/first baseman Valentino Pascucci is an interesting case. The 6-6, 235 pounder clobbered the ball at Triple-A Albuquerque last season, hitting 34 home runs in 447 games and finished .284/.389/.577. An all-or-nothing hitter who strikes out a lot, the 29-year-old is a product of the Montreal system and couldn't stick. At the end of 2004, his contract was sold to the Chiba Lotte Marines of Japan. I have no record of the following season with the Marines, so he may have been stuck on their taxi squad. The next season – 2006 – he hit .222/.332/.468 with 13 home runs in 69 games. Batting from the right side, Pascucci figures to be one heck of a bruiser for the Iron Pigs, a job that originally would have gone to Michael Restovich, who took a better offer in Japan.
Third baseman Mike Cervenak, 31, is the last new signing. In nine seasons, the Triple-A veteran is a 295/.349/.474 career hitter and spent all of last season with Triple-A Norfolk (Baltimore). He’s never made it the big leagues and figures to be an everyday player for either Reading or Lehigh Valley.
-- In other news, left-hander Eude Brito signed with the Nationals. Infielder Peeter Ramos, who played in Reading, is now with the Mets.
Snelling signs: The Phillies avoided arbitration with newly acquired outfielder Chris Snelling and signed him to a one-year, $450,000 contract, which is above league minimum. It's looking like he's part of their master plan after all.
Non-tenders: As expected, the Phils had no non-tenders. For the complete list of non-tenders around the league, click here. (Note: Some have already signed elsewhere). The Phils repotedly have interest in one of them: reliever Akinori Otsuka.















I see that PG is really loading up the franchise with quality young players.
The new GM should have a lot to work with when PG leaves.
Posted by: don schell | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 10:49 AM
you think the phils are the only team with minor league fillers, give me a break.
Posted by: michael | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 10:50 AM
Vic Darensbourg!!!!
We were able to sign this guy? Boy, all the other team's have missed out big time. Imagine their fans surprise when they find out that WE were the lucky team that won the Vic Daresnourg sweepstakes!!
.
Wait. I was thinking of that other guy...Ron Darensborug, right? No, that's not it...
That's it, I remember now: Ron Mahay.
No wonder I got it mixed up; it sounds just like Vic Darensbourg.
Posted by: Andy | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 10:51 AM
From that link:
San Diego Padres: RHP Jack Cassel
Cassel gave the Padres four good starts down the stretch, going 1-1, 3.97, but with fellow groundballing righties Justin Germano and Clay Hensley still hanging around — not to mention Wade LeBlanc, Cesar Ramos and Josh Geer on the farm — Cassel didn’t figure to get an extended look in San Diego.
Do the words "groudballing righty" set off any alerts in the Phillies' front office? Hello? Hello? Anybody home in the PHillies front office?
Posted by: Alby | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 11:04 AM
Alby - two words on Jack Cassel:
Vic Darensbourg!
What more do we need? Pat's job is, obviously, done for the winter!
Posted by: Andy | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 11:08 AM
The Phillies must've figured they needed to make a big splash right before the first 2008 Season Ticket payment was due....and boy did they ever come through in the clutch with this motley crew!!!
Way to go guys, the price increases have been more than justified!
Posted by: Section 102 | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 11:08 AM
Why are they not interested in Ensberg and why no Jenkins?
Posted by: DPatrone | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 11:14 AM
Alby: The problem with GB/FO stats is that, when you look up a pitcher's numbers on MLB.com, his GB/FO ratio doesn't show up until page 2. Fortunately, Gillick, with his years of experience, & Amaro, with his Stanford degree, quickly realized that, if the stat was important, the MLB.com guys would have put it on page 1.
Posted by: bay_area_phan | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 11:16 AM
So glad they listening to me and looking at Otsuka...good news. Otsuka could go a long way to shoring up this bullpen if his arm is ok, give him a physical.
Posted by: KevinLin | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 11:19 AM
This from mlbtraderumors.com, via mlb.com:
"the Rangers were going to send [Otsuka] to the White Sox for Chris Carter but the Sox nixed the deal after looking at Otsuka's medical reports. No surprise the Rangers non-tendered him, now."
Sounds like he's right down our alley. Kind of in the tradition of Tom Gordon & Freddy Garcia. What off-season is complete without signing at least one piece of damaged goods?
Posted by: bay_area_phan | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 11:20 AM
I wonder if Jim Rushford will be offered a job for the IronPigs or Reading?
Posted by: SWB-Brad | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 11:21 AM
Yes! Classic beerleaguer!
I like Mazone a lot. I'm not saying that a team like the Phils should be relying on this kind of player, but I think he automatically becomes the 5th best starter in the organization (not talking talent, just ability to get ML hitters out *right now*):
Hamels
Myers
Kendrick
Moyer
Mazone
Happ
Madson
Eaton
I know what the scouts say about Mazone, but this is a guy who has a career 3.79 ERA in 486 innings (and he is actually weighed down by two terrible years when he was 21 and 22).
The last three seasons, his ERAs were:
3.10
2.11
2.21
WHIPs:
1.22
1.10
1.04
Also, in around 330 IP, only 22 bombs.
If he had actually pitched a year in the bigs and got rocked, I would ignore the minor league numbers, but he has never had a chance.
I don't care if he throws underhanded, someone with that level of performance against AA and AAA player can get major league hitters out.
Posted by: kdon | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 11:32 AM
"Why are they not interested in Ensberg and why no Jenkins?"
Who said they weren't?
Posted by: kdon | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 11:34 AM
"What off-season is complete without signing at least one piece of damaged goods?"
The real bummer, here, is that since Otsuka has been non-tendered, we're not able to trade, say, Carrasco for him. If we could do that, then we'd have a real PG deal!
But in the meantime, did i mention: Vic Darensbourg!!
Posted by: Andy | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 11:34 AM
Boy, this really causes excrement, errr excitement about the Phillies' chances this year. WOW!!!
I think I'll run down to the box office right now and renew my 4 season tickets right behind home plate!!!
Whahoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Posted by: AWH | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 11:36 AM
kdon, you're right. Mazone can "compete" for our fifth rotation spot with Blackley and Darensbourg. After all, how great would it be to show one of those slow junk-ballers to an opposing line-up the day after they face Moyer?
Posted by: Andy | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 11:37 AM
Alby: The first thing I thought when I saw that name and read the notes was, "Why not Jack Cassel?" I think it's at least worth an invite to ST.
Posted by: Mike | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 11:38 AM
And did I mention VIC DARENSBOURG!!!
Posted by: AWH | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 11:39 AM
AWH - you want those tickets to be along the third base line. With all those slowball LH pitchers, there are bound to be lots of RHs pulling bee-bees into the seats in shallow left. You could score some foul balls!
Posted by: Andy | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 11:40 AM
When I see Vic Darensbourg, I just say to myself, it's such a great thing we didn't sign Riske or Wise. Otherwise we wouldn't have room on the 40 man roster for...
well,
you know.
Posted by: Andy | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 11:42 AM
Andy, Mazone is the AAAA insurance in case Moyer breaks down. Slip him right into the rotation and the Phillies don't miss a beat.
Posted by: AWH | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 11:42 AM
Andy, I never thought of that. third baseline it is!
Posted by: AWH | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 11:43 AM
AWH, I agree.
And if he breaks down we got Blackley!!
Posted by: Andy | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 11:44 AM
Wow, I doped up on creatine a few hours ago. I thought I was going to crash now but, hey!!! Vic the Trick Darensbourg!
At this point, if "them" don't sign anyone with damaged goods, I could possibly claim a moral victory.
Posted by: Mike H. | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 11:44 AM
Anybody else excited to see Pascucci?
Just me? Oh...ok.
DARENSBOURG!!!
Posted by: John D | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 11:46 AM
Andy, put the bat down and step away from the dead horse slowly...
Posted by: Doc Justice | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 11:46 AM
"kdon, you're right. Mazone can "compete" for our fifth rotation spot with Blackley and Darensbourg. After all, how great would it be to show one of those slow junk-ballers to an opposing line-up the day after they face Moyer?"
Do you really think that? That it would be "great"? I would think it would be a bad idea to do that, and...oh, wait, your being sarcastic...
Clever boy.
Posted by: kdon | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 11:49 AM
It would be cool for Pascucci and Cholly to hook up for two weeks in the batting cages. Rowand spent a lot of time with Manuel last offseason.
Posted by: J. Weitzel | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 11:51 AM
MLBTR mentions the Phillies as a possibility in the Prior stakes. Translation to reality talk: no shot.
Posted by: Mike | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 11:52 AM
I can see it now. The Phillies & Braves are tied for first after 161 games, with the Padres having already clinched the WC. It's one game for all the marbles. Moyer pitched last night & Cole refuses to pitch on 3 days rest. Blackley has been long ago DFA'd due to ineffectiveness & Mazzone was sent back to AAA after 2 awful starts. With the right-handed John Smoltz on the mound for the Braves, Cholly opts to get another left-handed bat into the lineup. And, so it is that the entire NL East race hinges on the battery of Darensbourg and LaForest.
Posted by: bay_area_phan | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 11:58 AM
damn, bap, you are depressing!
Posted by: AWH | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 12:01 PM
Latest issue of Baseball America has some positive comments Jaramillo. Salisbury wrote it, Arbuckle was quoted. Jaramillo sounds like a solid overall player. He's expected to start at LV, but they feel he's a Major Leaguer in waiting. That's encouraging. Would love to see the Phils avoid the mess other teams, like the Mets, are forced to deal with in expensive, marginal, older catchers.
Posted by: J. Weitzel | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 12:08 PM
Doc Justice:
It's not dead - maybe just hurt a little; bruised maybe - I gotta make sure...I gotta...
VIC DARENSBOURG!!!!!
Yippeeeeee!!!!
(Okay. I think it's dead now. Stupid horse.)
Posted by: Andy | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 12:10 PM
AWH: Depressing? But my story wasn't finished yet. In the next post, I was going to add that Darensourgh goes on to retire the first 27 Braves hitters and, with the scored tied 0-0 & 2 outs in the bottom of the 9th, LaForest steps to the plate and hits a walk-off homerun.
Posted by: bay_area_phan | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 12:11 PM
If LaForrest Hits a home run, does it make a sound?
Posted by: mm | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 12:13 PM
Oh one more thing . . . LaForest's homerun not only captures the NL East title, but also breaks Barry Bonds' single-season homerun record. When the season ends, the writers unanimously vote him the National League MVP. The Phillies are so thrilled with their find that they reward LaForest with a 5-year, $80M contract. Oh wait . . . I think now I might be getting a little too unrealistic.
Posted by: bay_area_phan | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 12:17 PM
Most of you guys are completely ridiculous
Posted by: The Truth Injection | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 12:19 PM
And in this 0-0 game, I'm sure the MVP pops up three times and Howard has 3 Ks swinging...
Posted by: Mike H. | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 12:19 PM
Also in this game, Wes Helms has an unassisted triple play.
Posted by: mm | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 12:22 PM
In that game, Vic Darensbourgh actually gives up 4 singles over 7 innings, but converts all of them to outs by utilizing that "Nice Pick off" throw he has.
Posted by: mm | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 12:26 PM
Repent now, because if any one of those things happens (minus the Rollins and Howard prophecies), the world would instantly collapse in on itself.
Posted by: Mike | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 12:26 PM
At least I used to think the GM issue was that we just didnt want to spend the money for decent players. But now I see that they just are incapable of judging talent as we won't even sign the decent cheap players. Holy 30 year old pile of garbage.
Posted by: rickyj21 | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 12:28 PM
after Helms turns the UATP he does the ElPlulpa Polka on his way into the dugout
Posted by: phanatics brother | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 12:29 PM
In this game, Bruntlett reaches first twice on Catcher's Interference.
Posted by: Andy | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 12:30 PM
Ricky, I believe that's clout's line of argument since this blog started. Because you both agree - again - the world may now collapse on itself.
Posted by: Mike H. | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 12:30 PM
And Pat Burrell saves a run by racing over to right center field to snag a shoe-top liner that was about to fall between Werth and Vic.
Posted by: Andy | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 12:31 PM
With the game tied 4-4 in the 18th inning, and no avialable pinch hitters, Charlie Manuel invokes the Player/Manager Clause and hits a solo HR.
Sadly, Baseball is pulled out of its moment of historical greatness, as he has a heart attack before reaching first base.
Posted by: mm | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 12:35 PM
The pipe dream about Charlie is believable. He did have some big, clutch homers in the 78 and 79 Japan Series.
Posted by: Mike H. | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 12:40 PM
Don't get your hopes up about the Phillies being interested in Prior, thats just blatent speculation by the author of MLBTR since we "should" be interested in Prior. But we should be interested in Ensberg (why did that ass have to come out and say that they arent interested, at least they could have not mentioned it and left me with hope) and we should be interested in Wise, but I dont know that we are actually interested in any of them as they arent in their early 30's and willing to sign for the league min.
Posted by: rickyj21 | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 12:53 PM
I'm not going to sit here & tout the Phillies' ability to judge talent. It's obviously less than stellar. But, at bottom, it's more about ownership's cheapness than about our scouts' ability to judge talent. The reason we sign all these 30-something minor league lifers to fill out our Triple A roster is because we won't break slot in the draft, which means we end up with a lot of marginal prospects who wash out before Triple A, which means we always have a lot of vacancies to fill in Triple A, which means we wind up signing all these marginal 30-soomething minor league lifers to fill all those vacancies.
Our scouting system hasn't done THAT bad a job in recent years. But our minor leagues have been consistently thin for about the last 20 years, and that's because ownership refuses to spend money on draft picks.
Posted by: bay_area_phan | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 12:54 PM
ricky: I'm beginning to sense that Andy, MG, Clout & I have managed to turn you into a convert.
Posted by: bay_area_phan | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 12:57 PM
"But now I see that they just are incapable of judging talent"
ricky, welcome to the club!
bap, it's a combination of all those things, but it truly begins with the ability to discern the marginal talent.
Wht I mean by that is anyone, even non-professionals can tell someone like Andrew Miller or Mark Prior is MLB material by watching him pitch in college.
I saw Micah Owings play in the Cape Cod League. It was blatantly obvious that he has the physical tools - TO ANYONE.
But it's the scouting of other teams minor leaguers that has hurt this team, as they have really not done well in receiving a decent return for their best players (Schilling, Rolen, Abreu).
That's scouting, not draft cheapness.
Posted by: AWH | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 01:10 PM
The Valentino Pascucci Replica Expos Batting Practice Tee I have has relevance once again! I've been a fan of his ever since I pulled a Pascucci autographed ball redemption card out of a pack in the late 90s.
Posted by: TarHeelPhan | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 01:21 PM
I've spent every summer of my life at Cape Cod (25 and counting) and since I was about 12 I've sat there and picked the brains of scouts at the games. Want to know what team I've never met a scout from? It rhymes with Hiladelphia Hillies.
Posted by: rickyj21 | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 01:25 PM
ricky, I vacation there every summer. What town are you in?
Posted by: AWH | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 01:29 PM
"The Phillies avoided arbitration with newly acquired outfielder Chris Snelling and signed him to a one-year, $450,000 contract, which is above league minimum. It's looking like he's part of their master plan after all."
For all intensive purposes, signing a veteran player with a base of 450k is basically about as low as you can go.
While I was very skeptical about the Phils making any impact moves this offseason after the Lidge trade, I thought at a bare minimum that the Phils would at least sign some additional non-tendered players, bargain "Value Village" players, or players who might come at a reduced rate due to injury risk like Benson to round out their roster like last season.
Now, I am not even sure of that. It is becoming pretty apparent that the Phils reality for paying for a MLB veteran player and what the market is yielding are quite a large gap.
Even guys would I would call "marginal" MLB vets are making at close to $1 M. That might seem like a lot but it is not really considering that the average MLB player made $2.9 million last season and that figure is sure to crack the $3.0 million mark this offseason.
The funny thing is that the Phils would probably almost break even or have saved money if they had signed a guy like Hawkins instead of having to shuffle in stop-gap measurements all to season for the bullpen and going fishing for 2-3 players off the waiver wire/minor trades.
Posted by: MG | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 01:33 PM
"ricky: I'm beginning to sense that Andy, MG, Clout & I have managed to turn you into a convert."
ricky! Don't do it!! It's lonely being an isolated island!!!
Posted by: Andy | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 01:36 PM
Yeah, I'm finally coming around to see the same side of things that you guys do. I still see upside in some of our young guys like Mathieson and Zagurski, and I still think Outman could be this years Kendrick, but this 3rd base thing has pushed me over the edge as we're ruling out the best option on the market despite the cheap price.
Posted by: rickyj21 | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 01:42 PM
AWH, I always stay in Chatham, what about you?
Posted by: rickyj21 | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 01:44 PM
There isn't a single player who is really interesting on that above mentioned list. Frankly I am kind of surprised at the Phils willingness to acquire some many minor league vets who have already been in their system.
Doesn't make much sense except that it shows the lack of talent in this minor league system right now at the AA and AAA levels.
I am also kind of surprised to see the Phils let Brito walk. Not exactly like the Phils have a ton of useful LHP arms running around their system right now. Apparently this is part of Gillick's brilliant "less is more" approach to build out the pen.
Now the King has been fired as the Sixers GM, I have to say that Gillick has taken his place as possibly the worst GM in Philly right now.
Posted by: MG | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 01:49 PM
At least Ed Wade is around to make Gillick look better.
Posted by: rickyj21 | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 01:51 PM
ricky - that's like saying the rice is around to make the mashed potatoes look whiter...or the pig farm is around to make the cess pool smell less foul.
Posted by: Andy | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 01:56 PM
At least we didnt trade our minor league system for someone named in the mitchell report.
Posted by: rickyj21 | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 01:57 PM
Or the Darensbourg is around to make the Blackley acquisition look more like a real steal.
Posted by: Andy | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 01:58 PM
The list at the top of this page is truly depressing. I'm optimistic and I can't even begin to find hope. The upsetting part is that all of their combined salaries could have gotten something useful.
Posted by: rickyj21 | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 02:01 PM
"we didnt trade our minor league system"
Initial snide response: what minor league system?
Realistic response: since the Astros system sucked worse than ours did, I truly have to hand that particular degree of abysmal General Managing over to Wade. He really does deserve the Raw Sewage Trophy this year.
Posted by: Andy | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 02:01 PM
Luis Vizcaino to the Brew Crew. I guess we have no need for a decent-to-solid bullpen guy.
Posted by: Reed | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 02:13 PM
One last thing about the Mitchell report. I just looked up the list of MLBers who have hit three homers in a game. The list of players from the strike to 2002 reads like the report.
Posted by: Mike H. | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 02:29 PM
From the previous thread, a poster writes,
"hmmm. seems to me the Phils should throw some dough at Otsuka. Any reasons not to other than him being recently injured?"
My answer: Absolutely none, just as there were no reasons not to sign Garcia last year other than the concerns about his arm.
Posted by: clout | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 02:32 PM
vic darensbourg, isn't he a lounge singer of some sort?
Posted by: bathtubhippo | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 02:42 PM
Phils and Padres are the two finalists for Geoff Jenkins...
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7564680
Posted by: BENTZ | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 02:50 PM
Otsuka = Tommy John, over/under of early June
Posted by: rickyj21 | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 02:50 PM
Finally some happy news. We can't seriously lose out to San Diego when negotiating with a power hitter can we. I mean they get the pitchers with their monstrous park and we get the hitters. Fair is fair. Faith is almost restored and you guys are going to have to deal with me being optimistic again (until tomorrow hen Jenkins signs with the Pads and I go back to hating the world)
Posted by: rickyj21 | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 02:54 PM
What this board needs now is for CJ, SirAlden and the other Happy Faces to resume posting.
Posted by: clout | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 02:55 PM
typepad security is getting out of control again. it cancelled my last post
Posted by: clout | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 03:06 PM
Dude, that typepad crap gets me on like every single post now...I hate it, cause I'll hit post and walk away and come back to that lousy screen 20 minutes later.
Posted by: rickyj21 | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 03:09 PM
Hmm... if you are Jenkins do you want to hit at Citizen's Bank Park or Petco Park, especially when you will most likely be a free agent again in 2 years??
Jenkins would be an awesome bat against righties, and you can then throw Werth out there versus lefties. The Phils better not screw this one up...
Posted by: Jon | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 03:11 PM
Well, this has been an informative thread...good work guys.
I like Jenkins. I would venture to say that a Werth/Jenkins platoon puts up similar numbers to Rowand next year.
Although, aging LH outfielders haven't fared too well in the past few years (Nixon, Huff, Green).
Posted by: kdon | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 03:12 PM
ricky, excellent! Chatham is, IMO, the best town on the Cape. I love CCBL games at Veteran's Field.
We're in Dennisport, trying to sell and move to Chatham, as we spend most of our time there.
Posted by: AWH | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 03:12 PM
OK here's the post that got blocked: The Brewers have added Riske, Gagne, Torres and Vizcaino to their bullpen. Not too shabby.
Posted by: clout | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 03:18 PM
Another reason to like Jenkins is that while his overall numbers were down in '07, a lot of that was due to BAIBIP.
Career: 324
'07: .301
Aside from batting average (explained by the drop in BABIP), he kept up his walk and power numbers pretty well.
I think he is good for an .850-900 OPS vs. RHP in CPB.
Posted by: kdon | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 03:18 PM
AWH, I'm definitely going to have to agree with you. Its the best town on the cape and the best home park for ccbl games. Good luck finding a place in Chatham, the prices are still skyrocketing.
The talent level on the cape league is amazing, just wish the phillies would reallize it.
Posted by: rickyj21 | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 03:20 PM
The Vizcaino signing has since been retracted and now they are reporting the Rockies appear to have him. Some reporter looks like an idiot.
Posted by: rickyj21 | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 03:21 PM
CLout, but they did lose Cordero.
Gagne and Torres may be shot (no pun intended for the former), but Riske was exactly the kind of player the Phillies should have added.
As you know, I'm pretty skeptical of veteran bullpen guys, but Riske is about as good a lock to be solid as any pitcher in baseball.
Posted by: kdon | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 03:21 PM
Jenkins against righties:
355ab 18hr 807ops
Werth against lefties:
88ab 5hr 1058ops
Combined 443ab 23hr 859ops
Rowand 612ab 27hr 889ops in a career year
I'd consider that well replaced.
Posted by: rickyj21 | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 03:29 PM
Jenkins on a 2-year deal would be a solid move. Clearly a player on the decline but he provides a player who can play solid defensive, still put up decent numbers against RHP, and provide some viable depth to the OF.
Phils would be "ok" with an outfield of Burrell, Victorino, Werth with Jenkins and Snelling as their reserves. Only issue is that the Phils don't have a legit backup to Victorino in CF but that is splitting hairs.
Posted by: MG | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 03:34 PM
The more I see Jenkins' stats and how he brutalizes righties, the more I'm warming up to him. His defense appears adequate as well (not sure what the league average for RF's is).
Posted by: Mike | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 03:39 PM
ZiPS for '08:
Jenkins (in Miller):
.259/.339/.449
Werth (in CBP):
.260/.359/.417
Rowand (in CPB):
.276/.339/.444
Posted by: kdon | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 03:42 PM
Even if Otsuka's ERA doubles, he'd be better than a lot of the pitchers we have. I'd think you'd have to make an offer, even though he won't be available in April and May.
Posted by: Tray | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 03:45 PM
MG, I think Snelling (6 career games in CF) or Werth 30 games in '05) could give Vic a day off in CF, but you are right, there are no long-term options.
Considering Vic plays all-out and is a little guy, I'd advise him not to crash into too many walls out there.
Posted by: kdon | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 03:47 PM
I wouldn't be too worried about Otsuka performing in Philly, but I would be very, very worried about his health. Texas would presumably know about his arm better than anyone, and it's not like they would've been on the hook for much salary if they took him to arb.
Posted by: ae | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 04:03 PM
rickyj
you talk about the Phils not being productive in the CCL but you forget we signed Freddie Prinze Jr. after seeing him pitch for the Chatham As...if only we could have signed Jessica Biel instead...sigh...
Posted by: Phrustrated | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 04:12 PM
Its all about the scouting...
Posted by: rickyj21 | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 04:34 PM
Clout: The Brewers also added Guillermo Mota, too... and still had holdovers such as Turnbow. Of course the Baltimore Orioles show that throwing money at myriad bullpen pieces isn't always an effective strategy.
Posted by: MPN | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 04:40 PM
ae, maybe they're just trying to cut costs. It's not as if they have the starting pitching to contend, so why bother paying for great arms in their bullpen?
Posted by: Tray | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 04:40 PM
Signing Otsuka and Jenkins would bring me feel much closer to feeling satisfied with this offseason. I wouldn't have said that three months ago, but they've successfully demoralized me and lowered my expectations. With 40 million coming off the books, I thought they'd have to spend money this offseason, but at least these moves would bring us near where we were last year. I'd still want to see them give a short-term deal to a proven, veteran starting pitcher.
Geoff Jenkins seems like a great fit for CBP; such a great fit that I'm worried about the Phils leveraging that point to save money.
Otsuka was one of the best relievers in the NL very recently, so I'd be extremely suspicious of his release. Good thing you can count on the Phils due diligence.
I've keep hearing names like Prior and Benson, but I'm going to throw a couple others out there...
Bart Colon? Great stuff, huge a$s, not a lot of interest in him- How about one or two years?
Shawn Chacon? Reminds me of a younger Tom Gordon- the once promising starter, turned closer, who settles in as a quality set up guy. Like Gordon, he throws hard and strikes people out with a nice curve.
Posted by: baxter | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 04:46 PM
Jenkins is about the best thing left to do for the Phillies. Hopefully that gets done. The Padres have already snagged Wolf and Iguchi out from under them. Maybe they need Manuel to step in and intimidate someone.
Jason, no one else has commented on your note about Jaramillo, but I see him very possibly being a better catcher than Ruiz and I don't doubt he's ready to contribute right now.
Posted by: RSB | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 04:46 PM
i thought werth played some cf for us this past season, like moved over once rowand was late in a game, could be wrong
i do seem to remember jenkins having a canon for an arm though
Posted by: Tony | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 04:58 PM
If they get Jenkins and sign someone like Chacon or Wise, or both- this off-season has been successful.
Posted by: The Truth Injection | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 05:07 PM
"If they get Jenkins and sign someone like Chacon or Wise, or both- this off-season has been successful."
TTI, this is the Phillies.
That makes that statement subject to a very big IF.
Posted by: AWH | Friday, December 14, 2007 at 05:19 PM