That’s what Cole Hamels said in an interview with Comcast, and indeed, certain Phillies seem like they’ve kicked it into a higher gear.
It’s weird which October moments you remember most. One series I remember vividly is 2003 between the Wild Card Marlins and the heavily favored Yankees. With guys like Josh Beckett, Brad Penny, Dontrelle Willis, Carl Pavano, Juan Pierre, Mike Lowell, Pudge Rodriguez and a newborn baby named Miguel Cabrera, it was like the Marlins were set at a different speed. The Yankees looked like old men in comparison. Everyone watched Florida’s young staff in astonishment that pitchers could throw the ball that hard for that long.
It was déjà vu watching Ryan Madson dial it up to 97 last night in the eighth. I'll never forget it. I thought his arm might snap. Just look at that arm (pictured upper right).
There’s something to be said about experience, but more and more, it's like squads ride their veterans through the regular season then turn it over to the newer models designed to handle the extra miles. Or, in the case of the Rays, you feast on the man-flesh of the baseball world using the kids from start to finish (As I write this, B.J. Upton smokes one over the Green Monster to put Tampa Bay on top of Boston 2-0).
I would be curious to know which pitcher the Phils would have turned to in Game 7, Jamie Moyer or Joe Blanton. The pace of the post-season is even slower than the pace Moyer likes to set against impatient, young prey like the Nationals. But in October, teams are well scouted and both the Brewers and Dodgers knew what to expect.
Experience is dandy, but sometimes, being young at heart isn’t as good as being young all over. Shane Victorino is one high-motor player having the time of his life. Carlos Ruiz, too. Chase Utley, who’s young enough to fit the bill, could have been argued as MVP of the NLCS. Hamels deservedly won MVP, but despite having youth on his side, pitched his type of game all of his starts. Madson, who's pitching like he was put on earth to make hitters look foolish, has been a revelation.
It's interesting to see who's on the outside looking in. Chris Coste won't start a game this October. Neither will Geoff Jenkins. J.A. Happ will probably keep his spot over the older Rudy Seanez.
Nevertheless, sometimes being young at heart is all you need. Just ask 40 year old Matt Stairs, who did not hold back.
I just had a quick comment on the pitching rotation for the next series. Clearly Cole is pitching games 1 and 5. For game 2 and 6, I assume Myers is pitching, with Moyer pitching 3 and maybe 7 and Blanton pitching 4 and maybe 7. I feel like I would rather switch Myers and Moyer. Myers has been much better at home this year, and he would also be in line to pitch a possible game 7, which I would prefer to having either Moyer or Blanton pitching.
Posted by: Bennigan | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 09:06 PM
Ladies and Gentleman,
Your 2008 American League Champion Tampa Bay Rays A home run derby has broken out at Fenway Park.
Posted by: Pops | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 09:08 PM
Rays are looking mighty good. I'm going to subscribe to the theory that the Sox are just worn down and hurt. Right?
Posted by: Mike | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 09:09 PM
I just think that the Rays are the younger, more talented team. That's what happens when you stockpile top draft picks for six years.
Should be a competitive, fun - to - watch series....
Posted by: Pops | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 09:14 PM
Bennigan,
re:pitching rotation. Said this a couple threads back, but they should give some consideration to starting Myers in Gm 1 if they really think Hamels can't give them a start on 3 days rest. If that's the case then you have:
Myers
Hamels
Moyer/Blanton
Myers
Moyer/Blanton
Hamels
Myers
as opposed to
Hamels
Myers
Moyer
Blanton
Hamels
Myers
Moyer/Blanton
In the first scenario, you get the ball in your two best pitchers' hands in 5 out of 7 games, as opposed to just 4 out of 7.
If Hamels actually can start on 3 days rest (and it wouldn't shock me if he could in the WS), obviously you start Hamels gm 1 and see if you need him in 4 or whether he can get stretched to 5.
Re: Tampa. I can't imagine a layoff will be good for them right now either, hot as they are...
Posted by: Midre Cummings | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 09:14 PM
Well, this has all been very nice, but I don't see anyone getting in Tampa's way this year. If people didn't favor the Phillies against LA, they're going to give them zero chance against TB. And I hate to say it, but this time it'll be understandable. The Rays are easily the superior team. I think the Phils will be lucky to win 2 games.
Yeah, I know, Negadelphia.
Posted by: RSB | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 09:21 PM
The Rays are reminiscent of last year's Rockies. They are on an incredible hot streak right now but incredible hot streaks usually end with hard crash landings -- which is exactly what happened with last year's Rockies. After the 6 day break, I look forward to watching these guys' reversion to season norms.
Posted by: bay_area_phan | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 09:23 PM
Weitzel is spot on with the Madson observation.
Even Joe Buck was gushing about his uber- fastball.
Posted by: Pops | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 09:23 PM
Midre - I responded, earlier, that there was merit to your way of thinking - particularly with getting Myers that start at home. My main problem, however, is using Myers on short rest. When he was used after 3 days, he did well, but then was burned out. If he pitches game 4 on short rest, he would not be dependable for game 7.
It is, of course, academic, since Chollie is not one to change his habits easily.
Jason, the youth versus old age angle is interesting. Usually, with regard to pitchers, you start thinking that younger pitchers cannot pile them on as reliably as older ones. (How many times have we heard someone worry about the number of IPs covered by Cole, for instance?) With younger position players, you might think fresh arms and legs are an advantage, too. But what happened to all those kids in LA? Martin, Ethier, Kemp? They all looked tight and over-matched. The Phils who kicked them to the curb (Gosh, I love that expression), are mostly around 28 -31. I am still optimistic about Jamie Moyer's chances against the Rays' youngsters.
Posted by: Andy | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 09:24 PM
Yeah, also, I too love the 95-97 mph Ryan Madson.
Posted by: Andy | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 09:25 PM
RSB: Disagree completely. Guys like Upton and Longoria are going to be very good players, but they are not great players now. This is just a case of a bunch of players on the same team getting incredibly hot at the same time. In my last post, I compared it to the 2007 Rockies. Another comparison would be the 2008 Phillies, during that 2-week stretch where they had the 2 20-run games and averaged like 8 runs a game. That streak, of course, ended with a loud thud -- a 2-month cold spell in which they couldn't hit at all. That's how I expect this Rays streak to end too. The 6 off days will cool them off big time. It will be fun to watch it happen, as I'm getting pretty sick of all the hype about this team.
Posted by: bay_area_phan | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 09:29 PM
Andy--true, hadn't thought about the gm 7 Myers. The Gm 4 Myers is appealing, but Gm7 not so much I guess.
Madson's fastball had so much jump on it I feared we'd be discussing whether he was artificially enhanced as I saw on this site when Delgado turned it around. Fortunately, his face still looks angular and Ichabod Crane-ish, not at all puffy. :)
Posted by: Midre Cummings | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 09:30 PM
I think BAP's comparison of the Rays to last year's Rockies is spot on. I think the long layoff will hurt them more than the Phils.
Posted by: Steve Jeltz | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 09:35 PM
But haven't the Rays been in 1st place of the AL East all year?
Posted by: doubleh | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 09:38 PM
BAP: I'm not basing my prognostication on how hot the Rays are now. If you want to talk about 'season norms', they've been a superior team to Philadelphia all season. Colorado was an average team that suddenly got hot in Sept./Oct. last year. Not so with Tampa. They've been hot since Spring Training. I don't buy the idea that they're going to come back next week like they haven't played in four months. Just because the layoff killed the Rockies' momentum last year doesn't mean it's going to turn every team back into a nonentity. (I also don't buy your argument that Longoria isn't a great player right now.) They have a better team than the Phillies in every aspect except the back end of the bullpen. Having Kazmir pitch this strongly just gives them that much more dimension heading into the WS.
Posted by: RSB | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 09:43 PM
It's going to be a rather long break until Wednesday. Moyer vs. Tampa would be interesting, but I just can't see young Tampa being anything close to young Nationals. Good point about the Dodgers young players.
Posted by: J. Weitzel | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 09:44 PM
If you're a little kid living in South Dakota with no geographic ties to a Major League team, do yourself a favor and pick Tampa.
Posted by: J. Weitzel | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 09:50 PM
RSB, didn't you, after the Phils' loss in the Brewers series, call the team "post-season frauds?" Your track record of doomsday prophecies isn't exactly flawless.
I'd calm down and enjoy this week. The Phils are very capable of winning against Tampa.
Posted by: Iceman | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 09:53 PM
Iceman: I realize it sounds like I'm not enjoying this. I am, believe me. But this team has already exceeded my loftiest expectations. I didn't think they'd get past the LCS. I'm ecstatic that they did. If I'd been around to post during the last two games, that would have come through. I'm not going to spend the week adamantly arguing that the Phillies have no chance, but...their opponents in the first two rounds were nothing like Tampa Bay.
And anyone who was a little upset after that Game 3 of the DS has to be somewhat forgiven for overstatement. That was a wretched game.
Posted by: RSB | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 10:01 PM
BAP: I'll cross-reference the James Shields pitching on Saturdays data with his biorhythm info....
Shields has pitched one game at CBP, 6IP, 3ER, en route to picking up the win. Regardless, his data from 2006 through the present shows that his road/home split is significant.
Posted by: MPN | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 10:07 PM
This Rays team is way too comfortable at the plate. They will need to be pitched inside quite a bit.
Posted by: doubleh | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 10:31 PM
For what it's worth, Tampa's outscored their opponents in the postseason 57-28. As for us, our postseason run differential's 40-29. Both over 9 games. In the regular season, though, our run differential was a little better, and we scored 25 more runs - on 34 more home runs. Which is to say, we're a much more homer-dependent team. Their team OBP is .340 to our .332. In the postseason, the gap's been bigger - .354 to our .335. Bottom line: they're hitting a lot better than us right now, obviously, but they could cool down - that said, they're not last year's Rockies, and their offense is probably harder to hold down than ours.
Posted by: Tray | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 10:34 PM
From Last Thread:
TBS just interviewed Chuck Lamar. Hes the Phillies' director of professional scouting. Hes there scouting the Rays/Boston. He said if the Rays win, the Phils will have their hands full with them. They are a very balanced team, those are his words.
Posted by: EDGE | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 10:48 PM
Wasn't LaMar their GM until recently? If so, I'd be shocked if he said anything negative about his past employer.
Posted by: tarheelphan | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 10:53 PM
It could go either way. I said that about the Dodgers series and I think the same holds true for the Rays as well. They've been on fire the last 4 games but I was at Game 1 of Rays-Sox and they absolutely laid an egg in that game against Dice-K. They're capable of doing that again, especially against a top tier pitcher they haven't seen much of like Cole.
The key is going to be winning Game 2. Assuming they go Shields/Kazmir/Garza, Kazmir is the guy they have to beat. He's looked great tonight, but that's his first good start in awhile. He's also pitching hurt. The problem, of course, is that he's a lefty.
The worst mismatch pitching-wise is Garza vs. Moyer/Blanton. I think Moyer may have better success against a younger team that hasn't seen much of him. And he's overdue for a good start. But who knows who these things will pan out.
The guy who may be the Rays secret weapon has to be David Price. A lefty with a 97 mph heater and a devastating slider that they've never seen before? He could be killer in the 6th/7th innings. It would help if Cholly would split Utley and Howard to try to neutralize him, but I'm not hopeful that will happen.
Posted by: Steve Jeltz | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 10:53 PM
Well, he's certainly not going to start naming weaknesses of the Rays that they can go toss on the bulletin board.
The other thing is that this is the World Series, everything is going to be shades of good or really good. Any kind of scouting report is going to have to focus on how to best minimize opponent strengths rather than hope an opponent has weaknesses.
Posted by: Hibachi | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 10:54 PM
Also from last thread:
Perhaps we could get a dedicated, out of towners World Series meetup thread sometime before Game 1 to organize?
Posted by: joe l | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 10:54 PM
Reading that back I should clarify: I think Garza vs.Moyer/Blanton is a mismatch in the Rays favor. It didn't seem to read that way.
But (even though he's a lefty), the guy I think they really need to beat is Kazmir.
Posted by: Steve Jeltz | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 10:57 PM
These Rays are good, but I find myself falling in between RSB and BAP. I think some things the Phils have going for them:
1. The Sox and Rays know each other far too well; considering how familiar the Rays are with the Sox pitching, it's not surprising that they're exploding right now offensively.
2. The Rays have not faced a pitcher as good as Cole Hamels this postseason.
3. The Dodgers hit Moyer well; in the Brewers game, Jamie was OK -- definitely struggled, but regained his footing. I think the Dodgers have a lot of AL flavor, so it's not shocking to me that they know how to hit Moyer. The Rays might be able to as well, but I think he'll have a fighting chance.
4. One of the best road teams in baseball -- I like their chances of coming home with a split.
There are points you can make in the Rays' favor as well. But these are some of the things that have me up about the Phils' chances.
Posted by: John | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 10:57 PM
I wasn't insinuating that his interview meant the Rays are out of this world, just passing along the info.
Posted by: EDGE | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 10:59 PM
"1. The Sox and Rays know each other far too well; considering how familiar the Rays are with the Sox pitching, it's not surprising that they're exploding right now offensively."
I think this is a great point. They had an intense season series that the Rays had a slight advantage on. Then, take into account no more Manny, injured Beckett leaving the Sox with no ace, and the Rays just blew the doors off.
Posted by: Hibachi | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 11:05 PM
The Rays' bullpen is filled with good arms. David Price was previously mentioned. They also have Balfour and Howell who are equally good against righties and lefties. They haven't used Price a lot this postseason. As I'm typing this, Ortiz just hit a monster off Balfour.
Posted by: EDGE | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 11:11 PM
boom
Posted by: redbeard | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 11:11 PM
Don't book your trip to Tampa just yet...
Posted by: doubleh | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 11:12 PM
TB just brought in Wheeler. I'm guessing they want a 7 save out of him, unless they're planning on using someone else in the 9th.
Posted by: EDGE | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 11:16 PM
I meant 7 out save.
Posted by: EDGE | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 11:17 PM
That pitch by Balfour to Ortiz was Broxton-esque.
Posted by: Mike | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 11:18 PM
this tbs broadcast kills the joke that fox puts out. pregame to color to play by play, all considerably better and more enjoyable.
Posted by: redbeard | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 11:23 PM
redbeard: I agree 100%. I thought the same of the Phils/Brewers TBS series.
Posted by: doubleh | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 11:24 PM
WOW. 7-6 Rays.
Posted by: Mike | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 11:33 PM
woah 7-6.
Posted by: TK | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 11:33 PM
Ooh, boy. Here we go. Hold onto your hats, Chowdah Heads.
Posted by: doubleh | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 11:34 PM
TBS sound like adults, the FOX guys are delusional children.
Posted by: joe l | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 11:34 PM
I still hate JD Drew.
Posted by: Steve Jeltz | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 11:34 PM
Hah, the fan with the "I like Baseball!" sign.
Posted by: joe l | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 11:34 PM
Looks like the Beerleaguer jinx extends to the ALCS.
Posted by: John | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 11:35 PM
I don't know about delusional children. More like dumb old grumpy men with no personality.
Posted by: Tray | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 11:35 PM
I call this guy Wheeler "Squirell," because he looks like he's washing the ball in his mitt before he throws it. He cracks me up.
Anyway, Squirrel does not have it tonight. Sox need to take more pitches.
Posted by: doubleh | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 11:36 PM
Tampa still has a big edge in the series with Shields going at home in game 6, but it sure would make for good baseball theatre if the Sox win this one and can somehow scratch a win out in game 6.
Posted by: Mike | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 11:36 PM
Wow, what an AB by Coco(a?)
Posted by: joe l | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 11:47 PM
wow
Posted by: redbeard | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 11:47 PM
Tie game!
Not only is it good baseball theatre as Mike put it, it could be good news for the Phils. If this goes 6, Sheilds would presumably be unavailable for Game 1.
Posted by: Steve Jeltz | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 11:48 PM
Why did Maddon leave Squirrel out there so long? He clearly didn't have it tonight.
Why wouldn't you want to win tonight if you have the game within your grasp?
Posted by: doubleh | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 11:49 PM
that was a PHILLIES like comeback by the Sox there.
Posted by: TK | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 11:50 PM
Amazing game at Fenway
Posted by: GoPhilsGo | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 11:50 PM
Good question, doubleh. Surely there's more than three guys in that TB bullpen. Maddon sure didn't waste any time in yanking Kazmir out of there. That move singlehandedly gave the Sox new life.
Posted by: RSB | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 11:52 PM
I think Maddon has spent too much time reading is press clippings lately. He may end up outsmarting himself.
Posted by: Steve Jeltz | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 11:54 PM
If Maddon is thinking it's OK, it's just one game--we can clinch in front of our home fans--that's dangerous thinking, especially with a team like the Sox.
I mean, you could tell from the leadoff batter, Wheeler didn't have his stuff.
Posted by: doubleh | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 11:54 PM
is = his
Damn typos have been killing me tonight.
Posted by: Steve Jeltz | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 11:55 PM
The Sox are proving why you can never give them even a glimmer of hope no matter how small. These guys never stop battling. Which scenario is better for the Phillies?
A Rays team who wins tonight and gets to rest their squad and set up their WS pitching match ups.
A BoSox team that wins 3 straight and has major mojo going into the WS.
A Rays team that struggles after a devastating comeback loss in game 5 for two games before putting away the '07 WS Champs, having them believe that they are destined for big things too.
Truthfully, I would love for this ALCS to go 7 games. Either team will be very tough to beat and makes me nervous just thinking about it.
Posted by: Mr. Mack | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:04 AM
Longoria channeling Furcal on that throw. This is a great game!
Posted by: Mike | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:11 AM
longoria has been picking balls like that with ease all season.
Posted by: redbeard | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:11 AM
Yeah, but not in games as important as this one.
Posted by: doubleh | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:12 AM
Mack: I think the longer this series goes the better. It gives the Phillies more opportunities to scout potential weaknesses with either team. If the series goes 7 with the Rays eventually winning, the Red Sox will surely have given the Phillies a few extra notes on how to get an edge on the Rays.
Posted by: Mike | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:13 AM
See you in Tampa. For game 6 of the ALCS that is.
Posted by: Mike | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:16 AM
Wow, what an ending here in Boston.
Posted by: joe l | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:16 AM
How the HELL can Tampa have just let that happen. That is madness.
Posted by: RSB | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:17 AM
Woo, boy, now that was some bad managing by Joe Maddon.
They had the Sox by the throat and let up. Stupid.
Thank God the Phils didn't do this yesterday.
Posted by: doubleh | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:17 AM
well... i guess we can stop talking about the rays now.
Posted by: mike cunningham | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:18 AM
Yeah, Joe Maddon's had better nights. Probably wishing he never left Devo.
Posted by: RSB | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:18 AM
Wow. What an unreal comeback. Give credit to the Red Sox – talk about never giving up.
You've got to wonder what this does to a young Rays team.
Posted by: The Other Kevin | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:18 AM
Well, either way I think the team the Phils would rather play would be the Rays- but now they DEFINITELY do not want to play Boston. If Boston comes back from down 3-1 games, down 7-0 in a potential elimination game in the 7th inning...they are absolutely unstoppable. Tampa better get it together when they go home.
Posted by: Iceman | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:20 AM
the best reason to root for two more games is mostly about pitching. How many pitchers did both teams use today...
Posted by: mike cunningham | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:20 AM
Well...never underestimate the heart of a champion I guess.
Not sure how I feel about this besides the obvious that it delays whichever team from setting up their rotation.
Concerned about a rejuvenated Sox team though.
Posted by: Jim | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:21 AM
Crazy game. Love 'em or hate 'em, you gotta give the Red Sox Nation props for sticking this game out, which was, for all intents and purposes, over for them an hour ago. Dodgers fans would be in the parking lot keying cars with Philly plates and urinating in the streets by now. That's what real fans do.
Posted by: Whelkman | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:21 AM
Personally, I don't really care how this series ends up. No matter what the conclusion, it's possible to imagine a way it's not good for the Phils, be it a team comes in with momentum, a team gets lots of rest, etc. Bottom line is, come next Wednesday you've got to be ready to play solid baseball and make no assumptions.
Posted by: The Other Kevin | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:21 AM
Sorry, I missed most of the first half of this game (including Kazmir getting yanked), but did Maddon use a quick hook on him? He had over 110 pitches but the stats bear out that he was in control.
Posted by: Iceman | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:21 AM
Just saw a sign that said "Phillie (sic) Girls Red Sox".
Posted by: Mike | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:21 AM
"Phillie Girls Love Red Sox" WTF was that?
Posted by: joe l | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:22 AM
Great night for JD Drew. Stock up on the Double AA's. Or would the D's be a little better for tossing?
Posted by: Mr. Mack | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:22 AM
Whelkman: I was just about to post something about that. The park stayed full and stayed loud.
Posted by: Mike | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:23 AM
I know some Phillie fans who are also Red Sox fans, but I think that's f*ed up myself.
If you are a fan of an NL team and an AL team and they both play each other in the WS, for which team do you root? Or do you just watch and don't really care who wins?
Posted by: doubleh | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:24 AM
Given the 3-1 series going into tonight, I couldn't understand the argument that people were using when they said they wanted to play the Red Sox. Most people were saying it would be better to play the Sox because they weren't hitting or pitching as well, etc. Well, if they come back and win 3 straight, they'll be on a "roll" against the Phillies who will have had a week off. Given what happened tonight and how the Rays unraveled, I'd rather face the Rays - I think they would have a hard time at the Bank. Boston's been there and can get super hot (so can any team, though, for that matter) and wouldn't be fazed by our raucous home crowd.
I'm really sort of scared about this full week off. Tigers? Rockies? Both were hot going in and looked horrible in the Series. So, if somebody could soothe my fears, I'd appreciate it.
Posted by: SteveO | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:26 AM
Don't worry, Beckett goes in the next game. He is a shadow of his former self because of all the injuries.
Posted by: doubleh | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:28 AM
SteveO: No matter who the Phils play, it's gonna be tough. The AL is the better league for a reason...the stupid DH...
Posted by: doubleh | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:31 AM
is = his
Damn typos have been killing me tonight.
Posted by: Steve Jeltz | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:31 AM
hh - I wouldn't discount a "Schilling bloody sock-esque" performance by Beckett on Saturday.
That guy is a true competitor in every meaning of the word.
Posted by: diggitydave | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:31 AM
Now I want the Rays to win in 7. That's the best case scenario for the Phils, in my opinion.
Posted by: Jack | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:31 AM
I rooted for the '04 Sox from the ALCS on. They had "Scarlet Sock" Schilling, "Who the hell released" David Ortiz, "Neanderthal" Johnny Damon, the hard luck story, and Yankee beating. What's not to love? Plus, the '04 Cardinals were a snoozefest, as usual.
But, yeah, just about every other time I root National League. Even more so with all the "back the winner" cheerleading the American League gets these days.
And I got all the way to the end of a Red Sox post without mentioning Manny Ramirez. Oops.
Posted by: Whelkman | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:34 AM
And yeah can't we all agree that the best-case scenario for the Phils is to have this series go a full 7 games? That way all of the starters are tired for the beginning of the world series and relief pitchers are maxed out (for example Papelbon, Wheeler, Balfour, Masterson, Howell, etc. have thrown a ton of pitches in almost every single game thus far in the ALCS).
Either way, it feels damn good to just sit back, relax, and know that whatever happens we will be playing the winner in the World freakin Series :)
Posted by: diggitydave | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:35 AM
Dude, we can't control who wins this thing. Just hang on and enjoy the ride.
Just think of how much we could brag if the Phils beat the Sox! Revenge for 1915! (j/k)
Posted by: doubleh | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:35 AM
Wow. That was downright astonishing. Even with 2 games left at home, I have to think Tampa is finished. Stuff like that just doesn't happen.
Posted by: bay_area_phan | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:46 AM
The momentum from this game will carry as far as the next game's pitcher. Unless Beckett recovers from his anemic playoffs performance (due to injury I presume), I'd say Boston still has their work cut out for them.
Posted by: EDGE | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:58 AM
You count out the Sox at your peril. Even so, that was astonishing. It was as if the Sox turned on the run scoring switch.
Posted by: GoPhilsGo | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 01:01 AM
The Red Sox are not as wounded as we were led to believe...
Posted by: Durbinator | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 01:02 AM
Didn't a similar comeback happen in the movie with the dude from SNL, Fallon I think. It was against the Yankees though.
Posted by: EDGE | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 01:04 AM
Wow. That was downright astonishing. Even with 2 games left at home, I have to think Tampa is finished. Stuff like that just doesn't happen.
I don't believe in momentum. If momentum were real, Boston, down 3-1 in the series and 7-0 in the game, wouldn't have come back. Of course, the momentologists will say the momentum swung, or some such nonsense. But if momentum exists, why is it always swinging?
Posted by: Tray | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 01:22 AM
Tray: Disagree completely. When a team loses in devastating fashion, they go on to lose the series 9 times out of 10. "Momentum" may not be the right word, as it implies that some external force is at work. It may not be an external force, but a devastating loss undoubtedly has a strong psychological carryover effect. That's why the 85 Royals and the 86 Mets and the 2002 Giants and the 2003 Cubs all lost Game 7, after devastating losses in Game 6. There are exceptions, like the 75 Reds after Carlton Fisk's Game 6 homerun, but they are few and far between.
Obviously, the series isn't over. Tampa is up 3-2 and has 2 more at home. Objectively speaking, they are still the favorites. But that was one of the more devastating losses in baseball history. If Tampa holds on to win the series, I, for one, will be surprised. And I say that as someone who picked the Rays from the start.
Posted by: bay_area_phan | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 01:36 AM
As you note, though, those devastating losses were Game 6 losses. I wouldn't at all be surprised if Tampa lost Game 6, but I certainly don't think that Boston's now become the favorite to win the next *two* games on the road, where Tampa wins at such a high rate, merely by virtue of psychological carryover effect.
Posted by: Tray | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 01:44 AM
As far as I'm concerned either team can win in 7. I just want it to go 7. Make that game 7 the emotional pivot to the teams series. Right now both of these teams have shown they can be beat. Either by being dominated or by coming back on them.
Wanna talk about momentum. Give it to the Phils who just went out and crushed two teams that were supposed to both have "momentum" flat out beat them. I think this series going longer drains both teams more. I'd have been more worried about a rays team crushing the sox three games in a row than a sox team coming back 3-1. Sure it gives them the "we can come back" mentality but the phillies mentality all post season has been "We're not going to let ourselves HAVE to come back.: The phillies treated every game this post-season as if it was "must win". I haven't seen either Boston or Tampa have that attitude.
Bottom line both these teams had off nights and lazy nights and the Phillies went out there and plain took care of business. The end.
Posted by: Rex | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 01:52 AM